Wednesday, May 12, 2010

Hole 2.0 - Nobody's Daughter (the response to the response)



Petra Davis has posted an eloquently-argued defence of Courtney's new solo album over at The Quietus. I felt it merited a proper response.

I would recommend reading Petra's review first. It's a good read. It provokes debate, it's passionate and argues its case well. However, I also feel it's a good example of why academic rigour cannot readily be applied to music criticism.

In my limited experience, academics often miss the one basic rule of music criticism: is the record good or bad? You can construct  arguments around anything you desire - and Petra does it well, better than Courtney Love deserves. (Courtney, lest we forget, is a woman who has constantly scorned feminism and her own music, and doesn't consider anything off-limits if it helps her achieve her goal.) But she misses the one fundamental point, the one that towers above everything else. Nobody's Daughter is a mediocre record.

Here are a couple of my arguments against both the record and her review.

1. Courtney perpetuates the myth that female songwriters cannot be considered as auteurs more than most. This is (partly) because she (like Patti Smith) grew up in an environment that encouraged women to think that in a male-dominated world, only one woman of each "kind" is allowed to prosper. She still thinks this way. Is her continuous reliance upon male peer approval a positive role model for young women? (I couldn't give a damn about her drug intake or her public breakdowns.) That's their call, not mine.

2. As one of the comments on this blog rightly puts it, "Hole without Eric, is like Siouxsie and the Banshees without Steve Severin. Both men were co-founders and are just as important to the legacy of their respective bands as the front-women." It is disingenuous to compare Courtney's treatment of Eric and the Hole brand-name (that she's only using because she's aware there's no cultural capital left in her own name) to Mark E. Smith's cavalier disregard for musicians.

3. America's Sweetheart... look, maybe I'm missing something here, but wasn't that a Courtney Love album? It has her name on it, certainly. She can disown it all she likes - as she will do with this one, make no mistake, when it fails to shift as many units as she wants - and blame its artistic and commercial failure on everyone except herself, but... come on. It's her record!

4. Agree with Petra on that bozo from Larikan's Love who plays guitar here. And I'm glad that Petra has also noticed Oasis and The Verve steals.

5. 'Skinny Little Bitch' - clearly, Peta likes that unrequited male bastion of a rock record Exile On Main Street, and I don't. We're going to have to agree to disagree. I would comment that energy and anger usually sound better from 20-somethings, though. I'm not convinced that Courtney knows what anger is anymore, separate from drug-influenced mood swings.

6. Re: rehab records. That utter misogynist John Lennon's first solo record was more of a feminist statement than Nobody's Daughter. And way more explorative, both musically and lyrically. You can of course argue that Courtney's drawing on her own canon with lyrics that make countless references to other lyrics. Or just admit she's run out of ideas.

7. Agree with Petra on 'Letter To God'. Disagree with her on 'Never Go Hungry Again' which I would have thought is clearly (superficially) aimed at her daughter Frances Bean but more obviously aimed at herself. I'm not sure Courtney realises that, though. Don't forget how fame has fucked with her head.

8. 'Northern Star' was co-written by Eric Erlandson (as was 'Malibu'). I don't quite understand why Petra doesn't give him proper credit in her review, especially as she explicitly states that Courtney wrote those two songs (the inference being that she wrote them alone). Surely it can't be because she's seeking to lessen Erlandson's contribution to Hole, and thus justify Courtney's usage of the name?

9. None of those supposedly feminist musicians Petra mentions (Gwen Stefani, Amanda Palmer, Kat Bjelland, Fiona Apple, Liz Phair) as being Courtney's peers have any resonance with me, except for Kat Bjelland (who has never put herself forward as a feminist). Petra criticises Kat for being in a band with her boyfriend. As opposed to Courtney who writes songs with her boyfriends and brings in guns-for-hire...? Um...? Also, Petra conveniently fails to mention Courtney's actual peers, such as Kathleen Hanna and Tobi Vail from Bikini Kill, Sinead O'Connor, The Breeders and Kim Gordon, etc etc. Are these women not relevant because they don't fit in with Petra's arguments? Whoa.

10. Petra writes, "[Courtney] no longer deserves the frequent comparisons to Marianne Faithfull"? Really? OK. Maybe she doesn't hear it because she's too familiar with Courtney's work - but Courtney has actually moved closer, if anything, to sounding like Faithfull on this album.

Still, as I say, an interesting piece of criticism.

It isn't every day that I spend this long writing a reply.

16 comments:

  1. Hers wasn't a review, it was an exercise in intellectual masturbation. If Courtney Love is a feminist icon I'm handing in my vag, I'm done with being female.

    PS did I miss something? When did Gwen Stefani become a feminist?

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  2. hmmmm knowing CLC, shes reading this along with everyone else and unlike her fans, who will slam it, she probably deep down inside secretly agrees 100% with you.
    And i tell yah what, if she took your advice to channel more Marianne Faithfull into her sound, it would be the best damn record she ever made.

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  3. I just don't think that Courtney and Linda are a good match. At all. Eric should have come aboard the crazy train. Agree with most points regarding the album. Hurts to admit it, but dammit there you have it.

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  4. Hey ET. This is fun.

    First of all, couple of general points.

    I'm not an academic. What, just because I have a large vocab? No. I aimed for an austere tone in this piece - I don't always - to preempt some of the 'SHE KILLED KURT!! TALENTLESS WHORE!!!' responses, and it's worked (so far).

    I just don't agree that this is a mediocre record. I think it's a patchy record with some really good songs (and I was clear about that), but I also think it bears analysis. I also think the worst things about it are not her - they're that awful sap Linda Perry and that weird kid from Larrikin Love. Like it or not, CL is a pretty fascinating art object. She's also a feminist icon (I'll take yr vag if you're done with it Jodi)whether or not she sees herself as feminist, which she says she does, often. I think as her former friend, someone who knows her well, you sometimes get caught up in what you know she's feeling and scheming; you're always looking to bust her chops. I don't see that as the most relevant critical context.

    Now, your points one by one. You've misread my piece pretty thoroughly.

    1. The women as auteurs thing. I agree with you, actually - she vacillates between grand gestures of empowerment (giving away guitars, etc) and a commitment to boys-club meritocratic pay your dues crap. I actually didn't say whether or not I was convinced by her argument (I'm not, I think it was a misstep and pretty rude to Eric), I just said that she made it. And I was also careful to refer to her writing about other women's work as though it would fall by the wayside. Most Courtney fans are like, 'that's not Hole, but OK, cos look, stuff is happening!' and Hole fans are completely dismissive of the idea that she might have a point. I wanted to at least explore the idea

    2. The reference to the Fall was an aside to Quietus readers. The editors of tQ are Fall fanboys to a man. It's not quite an apt analogy, but it is pretty funny and plays to Courtney's point.

    3. Not sure what your point is about AS. Yes, it's absolutely her record, and it was pretty awful. Most of the ways it was awful have disappeared for this record. So duh.

    4. That 'astounding us/ surrounding us' line made me go 'COURTNEY!!'

    5. I couldn't be less interested in Exile, it bores the pants off me. I think SLB is a solid rock single (didn't me comparing it to the Foos mean anything?!)with vastly more interesting lyrics than the average dudely rock single. And it sounds like they wrote it in about 3 minutes, on a good day when they were both feeling playful. Yay!

    I was thinking about it overnight though. It is SUCH a Plump steal (exactly the same chords), but the difference between Plump and SLB is illustrative of the difference between old Hole (I think CL wrote that riff? Eric can clarify) and new.

    (More coming.)

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  5. 6. I think she should have ditched the rehab song cycle as soon as she started writing the newer one. Everyone who loves her has the demos anyway.

    As to whether there are new ideas on here, I actually think there are, but they're outweighed by responses to her former ideas. In that sense too, this is a rehab record - the 'how could I have thought that' record. She's pretty vicious about herself on it, though clearly not enough to satisfy you, haw haw.

    7. Yeah, there's so much of that on this record, the switch between talking as, to and about herself. There are several moments on the record that conjure up Frances for me, though given that I haven't the faintest idea about their life, I keep that prurient crap to myself.

    8. Oh, yeah. If you read back, I said Courtney 'penned' both of those tracks. Penned is a pretty clear way of saying 'wrote the lyrics', no? I've no interest in diminishing Eric - musically, he's the best thing that ever happened to her, and I'm sure the idea of him is still kicking her butt on a daily basis, at least if she has any sense.

    9. I'm talking about the women who were in the same sphere of fame, the 'women in rock' who were on magazine covers at the same time. Tobi & Kathleen, much though I love their work, are not CL's peers. The Breeders, you may have a point, though this was intended not as an exhaustive list but as a lighthearted way to make a point about the particular nature of CL's work as it intersects with her persona.

    As for what I wrote about Kat - I read an interview with the two of them back in the day where they both joked about Kim Gordon being in a band with her boyfriend and ugh (cue laughter). Again, it was a joke, though I do think that for women musicians, being in a band with yr boyfriend raises all kinds of problems. They're problems of sexism, though, not an indication that being in a band with your boyfriend is an empirically bad thing to do.

    10. We're gonna have to agree to disagree. I'm not a Faithfull hater at all, but I don't think her creaky door of a voice is comparable to CL's at present.

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  6. It's in the post Petra.

    I think I'll partially retract my initial statement. This is officially intellectual orgy territory. Am I a little turned on? Maybe. I just read your review of A Woman A Man Walked By though. That might have done it.

    I usually boast I'll be swayed by any good, reasonable argument and yours is solid. But I've officially made myself a hypocrite by adding: "Yeah but... I still don't like it." I tried listening again and I couldn't find the record you're so passionate about.

    Consider me a convert to your other writing though. I might not always agree with you but I'll enjoy not doing it.

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  7. Thanks, Jodi. I look forward to the postman's face.

    It's weird to me that you all think I'm so passionate about this record. This is certainly my least favourite Hole album, though it's streets ahead of America's Sweetheart.

    Nor is my piece a defence: it's just a review. For me, the idea that any piece that doeszn't spend time discussing the ethics of Courtney's means of production is automatically a 'defence' - as though the default position is to attack - is really telling. For me, music critics should be willing to engage with what they write about. A review of this record that did nothing but mock, that ignored its themes and concerns, that didn't deal with the Hole back catalogue, would be an abject failure.

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  8. A huge part of my respect for Courtney Love the artist is that I know firsthand how hard it was to get into a band (even a crappy punk rock band), and play rock music in the early and mid 80s as a woman. I'm fascinated by what it took for Courtney to get from being a girl in love with music (and with performers whom she wanted to emulate) to becoming a musician and performer.

    For an 80's girl rocker, your role models were men. You got the message that men made the kind of music that mattered: Bob Dylan, John Lennon, etc. There were some women in punk rock bands but they weren't seen as "important." So you attempt to write/sing/play/be like a man, hoping to get in the door. Still, no one gave you permission. NO ONE. And if you tried to do it anyway, you'd be ridiculed and laughed at, including by your own bandmates, *if* you were lucky enough to get into a band. If not that, you'd just be ignored and dismissed. It wasn't even hazing, it was pure misogyny. How many young girls' self-esteem is good enough to handle that? Mine sure wasn't. I watched boys with much less experience form bands and play together and I was always shut out, even laughed at for THINKING I could do this, and so I rather quickly grew to believe that I didn't have the "talent" to perform 3-chord rock music. I'm pretty certain that Courtney's relative obnoxiousness and ninja tactics are partly what carried her through and got her to where she is today. Marrying Kurt Cobain sealed her wealth and fame, but I doubt it made anything easier for anyone.

    I wish more has changed in the realm of rock music, but even though it's still a boys' club, there are more female role models out there, and that is huge.

    I find Courtney Love to be intelligent, inspiring, interesting, flawed, iconic. AND I think she has a great deal of worthy observations about gender, fame, power, sexuality, AND most importantly she is not afraid to voice those thoughts. Her forte is live performance, interviews,-- less so the studio work. Yeah, she overworked this album, but at least she finished it and has a band and is out there DOING IT.

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  9. ET, since yr damn book 'live through this' is out of print/shops everywhere I managed to look for it, I think it's time you write another one with love as the main subject.

    here are some suggestions for the title:

    woman in love
    love don't live here anymore
    all is fair in love and war
    i love to love you baby
    love is stronger than pride
    a spoon full of love
    train of love

    c'mon, man, who can do it better?!

    yrS, truly

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  10. We can't have the Courtney we love.
    We can't have the Hole we want.
    They're locked into the past and will never return.

    I don't know the whole tracklist,but I've listened to some of the songs of the new album and I agree with Everett.It sounds mediocre,it sounds a bit dull too.It doesn't rock.
    I'm sorry,but we cannot pretend this is a triumphant comeback.
    Is it triumphant? Is it a comeback?
    I'm not sure.
    "PCH","SLB","SAMANTHA","NOBODY'S DAUGHTER" are quite good,but "not so good",you know...

    It seems to me that the proper title for this record should be "Nobody dares"...

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  11. E, I think you should write a biography done in an oral history style on Court, it would be amazing! I'll be your research assistant! (I'm serious) Researching is my specialty, I've lost count of the amount of times I've done interviews with people and they're like 'how do you know that?' I'm the dork with the large clipping collection of Court too ha ha... :)

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  12. Hi Bianca, I think VH1 "Behind The Music" is working on that very thing, haha... anyway, can't find the contact link on your website... I am not going to formally write about her, except maybe where her story intersects another story... But I like your website & I love biographies & interviews, so if you want to be in touch please write erika (at) skullmanrecords.com

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  13. Sorry, I think you meant "E" as in "Everett" not Erika. doh...!

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  14. " I would comment that energy and anger usually sound better from 20-somethings, though."

    Oh Bollocks. Especially not in this Era.

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  15. Oh how I love you Everett! This was such a great and funny read! I rather go watch the trains pass by than listen to this new Hole album? Hole? Eric was always my favourite member and he is nowhere to be seen.

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    Michael Sousa
    I'm flattered that you quoted me in your argument. I'm also curious, what did you think of the Siouxsie Sioux solo album "Mantaray"?
    12 May at 13:55 ·

    Everett True
    never heard it sorry. but I did meet Steve Severin last year. nice guy. likes his wine
    12 May at 13:56 ·

    Michael Sousa
    You should give it a listen. It's a great pop record! I'm jealous you met Severin, he seems like a very interesting and funny guy.
    12 May at 14:03 ·

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