Monday, June 8, 2009

Riot Grrrl 1



Trawling the depths of my computer, I found another couple of documents of interest.

This time, they relate to a series of interviews I did with Julia Downes for her PhD thesis on DIY Queer Feminist (Sub)cultural Resistance in the UK (University of Leeds, September 2009). I've never really gone on record about any of this stuff before - but I trusted Julia, because I liked her contribution to the Riot Grrrl: Revolution Girl Style Now! book, published by Black Dog. So I answered at far greater length than I'm sure she required. Anyhow, Julia has kindly given me permission to reprint my answers - the first part of which is below...

(P.S. The hand lettering on the MM cover reprinted above was actually done by me - meant to indicate a 'fanzine' style of design. The effect is somewhat lessened by the addition of Ned's Atomic Dustbin and Right Said Fred as drop-ins. Perhaps my pal from Archived Music Press could add this issue to my increasingly lengthy list of reprint requests for his site?)

1.  How did you hear about riot grrrl?
"Oh jeez. So long ago. I used to travel to Olympia whenever Sub Pop flew me out to Seattle – it was one of my great, secret pleasures: turn up there, sleep on Calvin Johnson’s floor at The Martin (first time I visited there, I even recorded a single with Calvin and Tobi Vail in the garage at Tobi’s parents’ house), berate him for the Screwdriver poster on his wall, drink hot chocolate and go to all-night dance parties, and delight in the fact alcohol didn’t seem to exist in Olympia. How little I knew! My early friends there were Nikki McLure, Calvin, Lois Maffeo and Tae from Kicking Giant. I delighted in visiting the K warehouse – which was in a tiny apartment above a garage shop or something right near the Capitol Theatre – and avariciously buying up every last cassette and fanzine and seven-inch single Calvin was distributing, on Melody Maker expenses.
I can’t actually recall buying the Bikini Kill cassette and fanzine on one of those visits, but I certainly did. I think it was actually before I moved in with Jon and Jo (became their landlord) in Brighton, start of ’92. My timing is all weird over these years, so who knows? Tobi has a better memory of these times, I think: I’m fairly sure I didn’t buy two copies, but I may have done – cos Jon and Jo were kinda my long-standing best friends (I’d known them since they were 15/16) and I knew they’d like it. I certainly would have played it to them. I knew I liked it – and it certainly fitted in with my whole Pacific Northwest focus I was going through at the time.
Riot Grrrl would’ve been used as a phrase in the fanzine I picked up... but wait, earlier than that, I was corresponding with Donna Dresch about her using an article I was writing about alcoholism for her queercore fanzine Chainsaw (it never got used, much to my chagrin – I always suspected it was because I was by then part of the ‘mainstream’ media). And that was one of the early inspirations behind the early Riot Grrrls.
When did that Bikini Kill tape come out? Was it before or after the IPU?
I’ve read that Courtney Love passed it along to me and to Huggy Bear, and that’s not true. She was an initial enthusiastic and loud champion (also a primary influence for Kathy from Bikini Kill) while she still thought there might be something in it for her (it was also a way of gaining Kurt’s approval) but she dropped it pretty fast... and I can’t help feeling she gained almost all her information about Riot Grrrl early on via me (certainly not vice versa). It was via Calvin I discovered Bikini Kill (for many, Beat Happening were absolutely one of my favourite bands ever at the time), but I already had encountered many of the initial prime movers.
Unlike grunge – which was a term I unwittingly popularised via my writing in Melody Maker – Riot Grrrl came fully-formed (so it seemed to me) and thought out. By the time Jon and Jo had moved in with me in Brighton - start of ’92 – me and Jo were having all-night conversations about feminist language and doctrine and behavior. Before Huggy Bear discovered Bikini Kill I think they were out-and-out cutie. It would have made sense they were, knowing my friends’ musical preferences. Encountering Tobi, Kathy and Kathleen’s writing and songs politicised them.
And let’s not forget the influence of Sonic Youth...

You can find Part 2 of this series here.
You can find Part 3 of this series here.
You can find Part 4 of this series here.
You can find Part 5 of this series here.
You can find Part 6 of this series here.
You can find Part 7 of this series here.

You can find the follow-up interview in this series here.
You can find the entire series collected together here.

16 comments:

  1. Where the hell did that extra bracket come from?

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  2. Wow. Those were the days. I've got the issue of the Melody Maker with Huggy Bear on the cover (with the TV screenshot). A treasured posession - despite the fact that I didn't keep it when I bought it the first time, when it came out, and had to get it again from ebay). Huggy Bear to reform? I'm sure Jon'd be up for it...

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  3. Various comments about this blog entry, lifted from my Facebook account.

    Jim Smith at 10:26pm June 7
    I'm interested, though it's still debatable whether this thoroughly vital movement was partly perpetuated by male music hacks with a 'prick conscience'...

    Everett True at 10:28pm June 7
    um. what would be a 'prick conscience', Jim?

    Ozgur Cokyuce at 10:29pm June 7
    Please reprint the entire series and share with us.... Brings back a lot of great memories :)

    Jim Smith at 10:31pm June 7
    Liberal male guilt for being male.

    Everett True at 10:33pm June 7
    Oh, that. Nah, I just don't like males on the whole.

    Katy Maguire at 10:34pm June 7
    fuck off jim

    Sarah Titmuss at 10:37pm June 7
    Oh please, please please reprint the whole lot. I'll buy you cake when you're in London if you do.

    Joanna Nilson at 10:37pm June 7
    No i think it was a perfect partner to the male presence within the burgeoning grunge scene. Although liberal male guilt is responsible for grunge.

    "prick conscience" is how music journalists should treat women in music anyway. fuck i don't know. who cares. Bikini Kill were just the fuckin business.

    Everett True at 10:39pm June 7
    hey wait. Sarah, your group is fucking awesome! http://www.myspace.com/ethicaldebating

    Sarah Titmuss at 10:39pm June 7
    Awh, thanks Mr True.


    Jim Smith at 10:42pm June 7
    I did say 'partly perpetuated' by liberal male music hacks. That doesn't demean the years of hard fanzine-based toil by grass roots activism.

    Matt Bradshaw at 10:54pm June 7
    As someone who enjoyed the whole kaboodle as a teenager, i found the 'Riot Girl' movement pretty exciting and very informative, as a platform to inform it totally served it's purpose, as too was it's ability to inspire people to just form bands for fun...Whether in retrospect people think it was 'Dreamed up' or not is irrelevent...It certainly made me think a lot more about gender politics and my place in the world...One last thing that must be stated is the quality of journalism, and the reach of said journalism was SOOOOOO much greater then, i read the NME, Sounds and Melody Maker in the late 80's as a young teenager and found myself being not only informed about great music/scenes but encouraged to find out even more myself...and more importantly, it made me want to BUY the records / watch the bands...And when i saw Huggy Bear/ Bikini Kill at the 1 in 12 club in Bradford i felt like i knew the 'rules', like i was already au fait with what was going to go on...Thanks Everett

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  4. More comments reprinted from my Facebook page.


    Helen McGrath at 11:01pm June 7
    god I loved Bikini Kill! I saved this copy & all reports of Riot Grrl stuff forever after until the next thing turned the fickle heads of uk music press. But will always be grateful for the information -it was an aweome time

    Joanna Nilson at 11:05pm June 7
    Oh look it made me start a band, for sure. I heard R.I.P on Reject All American for the first time when i was 15 and hearing a woman sing like that was so shockingly honest and alien.

    but you know you look around now and go.."what the fuck?" Pink?!!! are you kidding me?

    Sarah Titmuss at 11:10pm June 7
    Don't despair, Joanna. There are still decent bands around, they're just harder to track down!

    Joanna Nilson at 11:11pm June 7
    oh no i know, i know. i just wish i could turn on the television and see a girl with an electric guitar, it gives me the shits.

    Helen McGrath at 11:13pm June 7
    riot grrl was pretty underground in aust only played on public radio etc - it's the same now

    Rebekah Davies at 11:39pm June 7
    Reprint, I say

    Everett True at 11:44pm June 7
    eh? how's a new, unpublished interview a reprint?

    Owen Tromans at 11:46pm June 7
    Still dig the split 12 Huggy / Bikini. Might go put that on now. Love how the BK trax start with chatting and mooching about.

    Rebekah Davies at 11:46pm June 7
    Come now, I was referring, rater belatedly, to the aforementioned Riot Grrrl series. One day you will be interviewing me though....

    Rebekah Davies at 11:48pm June 7
    I'm listening to 'Rebel Girl' and feeling like a million bucks, just like the first time I heard it.

    Everett True at 11:52pm June 7
    that's the whole point. this Riot Grrrl series has never seen the light of day before. it's entirely new

    Owen Tromans at 11:52pm June 7
    someone told me there's loads of versions of Rebel Girl. I only have the one.

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  5. I like that book ^^^^^^^^ and not just coz I'm in it. ;-)

    (Though I still wish that Miss AMP's book about Riot Grrrl had come out.)

    It seems strange to me, looking back on the early 90s, and thinking at that point, that things were Changing in music, and society, and even though they weren't perfect, we were Making Progress for feminism. Now I have this awful sinking feeling that the early 90s were a kind of high point for women within music, and that it's been downhill and retrogression ever since.

    But that could just be my age. I don't know.

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  6. Hey sorry but I don't have this. Nor the Kurt and Courtney issue with new born Frances "Diet Grrrl" which is another I'd really like to see again.

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  7. Even more comments reprinted from Facebook

    Jennifer Denitto at 12:26am June 8
    I'd be interested! I'm pretty sure the hacks male and female weren't responsible.

    Andy Barding at 2:30am June 8
    Loved some of the music, but it was equally good to see Huggy Bear get decimated by the heckling in Newport TJs all those years ago. The Huggies so desperately wanted to clash with a roomful of boorish, beer-swilling rugby players... and instead were met by 300 polite but forthright hecklers, all very obviously wiser than they were. The cornered Huggies, beaten and embarrassed, resorted to violence as a way out. Laughable, lamentable and rather pathetic. Like I say, though, I liked the music.

    Shelly Jenkin at 5:00am June 8
    Please do print more! Bizarrely enough, Julia is who I lunch with at work...Small world.

    Tobi Vail at 5:38am June 8
    yes print the whole series. why not?
    re:fact check--BK demo tape came out late spring of 91 for our summer tour with NOU, IPU happened that August

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  8. NOU, as referred to by Tobi, are the awesome Nation Of Ulysses (fronted by Ian S, of course). IPU was the first International Pop Underground conference, partly credited with helping springboard Riot Grrrl.

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  9. Jennifer's comment is very fair - please bear in mind, however, that I am writing this from my perspective so it might seem wrongly skewed.

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